The Converse All Star Hi - Boys' Grade School, are only made in sizes (3.5-6.0). If you need a larger size like "8 or 8.5", you will need the "Men's" version. Youth shoe sizes for these particular shoes only go up to a size "6.0". The "Men's" version shoe will run one full size big (so it is recommended to order 1 size smaller than your normal shoe size).
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